Let's Push Things Forward

Maximizing social utility for fun and (modest) profit

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You, Sir, are wonderful.

No problem. Knowing that people appreciate it motivates us even more!

thats cool. congratulations! Is there is a hope that empathy will have per protocol icons for contacts finally?

Empathy 2.31.x supports protocol icons for contacts (I just don't have it turned on in these screenshots).

Whenever we show a single contact, we overlay the protocol icon (if you've got Show Protocols turned on); if we're displaying an Individual with contacts from multiple services, we don't show the protocols.

ah, awesome. :) thanks for the update.

drag & drop is easier than wizard

drag & drop to merge contacts like as it implemented in pidgin

But, thanks :)

Re: drag & drop is easier than wizard

We consulted with a usability expert (Nick Richards), and he had the idea of the link dialog (including most of the details we ended implementing in it) instead of drag-and-drop.

The big problem with drag-and-drop is that it's hard to discover it, so most users don't. And we want most of our users using meta-contacts :)

And it also hits the problem of drag-and-drop meaning both "add to group" and "link these contacts together".

Lastly, drag-and-drop is apparently really hard to perform on netbooks' frequently-bad touch pads.

Great work!!

I expect this to enter Ubuntu Maverick for trying it. I have tried previous versions of Empathy (2.31.x), but this "link" feature never worked for me.

There have been a lot of important fixes in Folks and Empathy since the versions in Maverick (even though they're fairly recent).

Please continue to file bugs upstream at bugzilla.gnome.org!



This is one long-awaited feature to be sure, very exciting.

'course, my contacts still go way past the bottom of the screen, maximized in compact viewing mode, given 1024 vertical pixels and one panel with a global menu.

One column doesn't cut it anymore, not with Facebook. ..but this does help.. *a little*.

Once we get Gnome Shell integration, you should be able to see search results multi-column. Though the use case there is a bit different than for Empathy's contact list.

Context menu icons

Can I make a suggestion? In the contact-context menu, instead of the generic icon shown next to each of the users accounts, instead use the icon corresponding to the users' status on that particular account. This would make it easy to see which accounts the user is signed into and available on, which could be very useful.

Re: Context menu icons

Suggestions are always welcome!

The icon in the context menu is pretty small, so I'm not sure how well it would work to scale the avatar down to that size. But please file a bug at bugzilla.gnome.org, and I'll take a look into it.

Re: Context menu icons

I think the idea was to use the presence-icon not the avatar. That would make sense since you could select one of the contacts by presence, not only by protocol.

Re: Context menu icons

Good point. I'll look into it. (Filing a bug still makes it more likely it'll get fixed).

Great work folks! Can't thank y'all enough for this :)

No problem :)


Please blog about how this relates to KDE's strategy with Akonadi/Nepomuk social desktop etc.

I'd have to do a little more research into KDE's plan to have a very meaningful response.

I did look into Akonadi and Nepomuk a bit before I decided to create Folks. It honestly seemed a bit over-engineered, and I remain fairly skeptical about "Semantic ____". The idea of extensively classifying objects and then hoping it will be useful seems like a lot more work (especially on the user's end) than narrowly-focused applications.

That being said, I'd be happy to be proven wrong. If there's a way to automatically classify everything (with near-zero user interaction) in a high-performance way that scales down to embedded systems (ie, smart phones), that certainly would be cool.

Solid work here. Seems like a really handy feature.

On a sidenote, your last screenshot really shows why removing the menu icons by default was the right decision. I mean, those menus full of icons are *hard* to read. Do you actually prefer the setting that way?

No, I really don't -- I forced it on because I realized I was garbling the icons in some branch, and forgot to turn it off. Thanks for the reminder!

Your advances in Empathy are really great :). Thanks!


It's a start, but...

Good grief, looks about 100 times more complex than the way it's done in, say AdiumX on the Mac, where no dialogs are required - just drag and drop, and you're done. Was this designed by one of the usability team, or did you just hack it together yourselves?

Re: It's a start, but...

Yes, see above. We consulted with a UX expert on the linking dialog (and he's even the one who came up with the word "linking", which is better than "merging", which we were going to use).

The original plan was to use drag-and-drop, but, as explained, it wasn't the best option. This will all matter less when most linking is automatic anyhow.

Feel free to pay for a full UX team next time, though.

Edited at 2010-09-01 03:17 pm (UTC)

protocol priority

I'm managing two protocols with empathy (gtalk & msn). I have some contacts linked because they use both protocols but when I try to talk with them, empathy always use msn protocol what I hate :P
With pidgin I only had to move my favorite protocol to the top of the drag&drop contact list.
What can I do?
BTW, congrats for this amazing app!

Re: protocol priority

Prioritizing isn't supported in Empathy 2.32, but we're thinking of the best way to solve it. See Gnome bug #631215.

where are the links config files saved? can't find them under ~/.config nor ~/.local/share nor ~/.mission-control

i want to export them from my notebook to my desktop.

thank you

The links are in ~/.local/share/folks/relationships.ini

thank you!

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